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How do you pronounce Betsy DeVos? Let the new U.S. secretary of education tell you herself

Senators talked about Education Secretary Betsy DeVos for a full day before she was confirmed on Tuesday. But it didn’t always sound like they were talking about the same person: some pronounced her name “di-vose,” rhyming with “close,” while most said “di-voss,” rhyming with “moss.”

Her swearing-in ceremony offered another chance to hear her say it herself.

So, how do you pronounce DeVos? It’s “di-voss” — a quick “di” like the first part of “did,” and “voss” like “the boss.”

Watch it yourself here:

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